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Subject: Giving up on MDT 2008
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04/15/2008 3:35 PM  

Great idea, poor execution. I still haven't been able to deploy a custom image using it. I've fought with scripts, the Task Sequencer, Group Policy Preferences, and I still haven't been able to deploy my custom image with all my customizations. I'm still flying blind with no guidance in using any of these, so it's been a comedy of hit and miss, mostly miss.

This issue has set me back almost 2 months and there isn't any resolution in sight. It's getting to be worth the money to pay Symantec for the Ghost Solution Suite, just to eliminate the headaches and get this thing deployed. At least I can get multicasting zero touch deployment through the Ghost console.

Still think it's really poor idea to get people to capture a custom image with ImageX, and not have it as an option to deploy the image. I guess my rant is aimed mostly at the documentation team. A handy guide on using the Task sequencer would have been a great help, but since there isn't any documentation concerning it, I'm screwed.

If I could have the option of deploying a totally customized image file through MDT 2008, I'd use it and sing its praises. As it is, messing around with scripts, the Task Sequencer and Group Policy Preferences with no documentation has been nothing but an exercise in frustration.

Is there ANY documentation on customizing images through the Task Sequencer?

Apparently not, and THAT is why I hate MDT 2008 with the burning intensity of 10,000 supernovas!

 

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04/16/2008 1:17 AM  
Jrandom,

Where are you located? I'd love the opportunity to talk to you on the phone or hook you up with someone at Microsoft that might be able to help you. If you're interested, please send me a private message.

Best, Jerry
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04/16/2008 12:25 PM  

What are you looking to customize?  The task sequence and MDT as a whole are NOT a end all be all of configuration.  They are a tool.  I use the MDT to automate a lot of steps that I typically had been doing by hand.  Basically put, if you want to customize something after the fact, you need to use registry merges, vbscript, and scripted installs to accomplish this.  I find this infinitely more helpful than setting the same settings in the base image because of the flexibility it allows.  For instance, if you setup a setting that points to a server, what do you do when that server retires?  Do you REALLY want to rebuild all of your base images again?  Why not just pop out your old reg/vbscript/installer, tweak it, and place it back?  I can switch all of our settings very quickly.

I guess you should think about it like this, the task sequencer is just the glue between all of the steps that YOU need to automate.  If you have anything in particular that you want to set and you can't figure out how, search google, ask us, or check out the plethora of repositories of knowledge about such things.  I've personally found that there are VERY few options in Windows that can't be tweaked via scripting, and if you throw in a tool such as AutoHotKey, anything and everything is available to you.

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04/16/2008 1:08 PM  
Here's the point I'm trying to make: the image is already customized the way I want it, and I've captured it as such. Using ImageX, it deploys just fine. When I use MDT 2008 in preparation for our move to Config Mgr 2007 and Zero Touch, none of the customizations survive.

The main question is: Why do I have to script all the customizations that are already in the image? What the heck is wrong with deploying a custom image as is?
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04/17/2008 12:37 AM  
jrandom,

I think you're missing a key piece. MDT 2008 will replace the Unattend.xml file that your image contains with an Unattend.xml from the distributoin share. Have you tried adding your fully customize image to the distribution share, creating a task sequence, and then making your customizations to the Unattend.xml in the task sequence? Don't just copy over the Unattend.xml, but selectively move your customizations to the new file. MDT relies on many of its own settings in Unattend.xml to function correctly.

Best, Jerry
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04/17/2008 7:32 AM  
Granted, I hardly used MDT to deploy to Vista, but the only customizations that MDT does that I remember is the stuff in the unattended.xml file. I know this might make you angry that some of your customizations aren't being transfered, but look at this from a logical standpoint...Even if it was working as you wanted, what would you do if you needed to change another setting? Apply the image, tweak it, and then seal it again? Thats a lot of wasted time, and that opens the door for a lot of problems to creep in. With MDT's setup, you can just tweak the unattended.xml file and you are done.
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04/18/2008 5:24 PM  
Yeah, I'm angry about it. I've already wasted a whole bunch more time in trial and error trying to find the settings I need to modify in the unattend.xml (and still haven't found all I need), than I would have spent pulling down an image, modifying it and re-capturing it. If I could have done that, Vista would have already been rolled out to 2,000 users 6 weeks ago.

It doesn't do me a bit of good to "just tweak the unattend.xml file" if I have no clue on what I'm doing.

If there was some sort of documentation on modifcations, I wouldn't be so angry. But all there is is trial and error, whether it me or someone else doing it.

Finally, even if I capture a custom image, it never gets deployed as an image. All it is, is a custom unattended install.
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04/21/2008 10:40 AM  

Are you sure you added the custom wim file as the source for your new task sequence?  It almost sounds like your not using the custom image, but instead using the Vista source files.  You can check the image your sequence is pointing to under the "Install" folder in the task sequence.  It should say something like "Install Operating System" and "VISTA Image under Vista\Vista.wim"

Did you make the custom wim file manually, or did you use MDT to make it?

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04/22/2008 11:09 AM  
Yes, this is a custom Vista Enterprise SP1 32 bit image. Furthermore my custom Vista EnterpriseSP1 64 bit image is recognized as Windows XP, which has increased my frustration at dealing with MDT 2008.
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04/22/2008 8:43 PM  

I would describe it as following, for people that don't know where to start BDD and MDT can be a great start and you might get some quck results in doing basic things, but for people that have been creating and managing builds for years, BDD and MDT sometimes do just a bit too much behind the scenes, where as others have mentioned, you spend an awfull lot of time in finding out where and what it does.

Going forward, I will love to see that Microsoft allows adding some scalability on how much influence the workbench takes, e.g. if i have created my custom image , i just want to drop it into a deployment location and not spend any more time in tweaking things again.

Jardon, i don't know what your level of experience is, but i would like to encourage you in saying you're not the only one that is spending hours, but see it from a positive side, the more time you spend on this type of issues, the better you get to learn the tooling inside out by going step by step through the scripts, i'm sure during that journey you find some interesting topics that might be of use at a later point in time.

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Alex

 

 

 

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04/23/2008 10:41 AM  
Alex,

I've been doing imaging since Binary Research came out with Ghost 1.0. Yes, I'm used to customizing an image and blasting it out to users. Yes, I'm used to using the Ghost Console and multicasting. Yes, I am used to doing image layering. It's what I've had to use for the past 11 years.

MDT 2008 just seems like a toolkit for building custom unattended installs. There is no documentation on customizing the image, and it seems to take up to 4 times as long to deploy an image. It just seems far more complicated than it needs to be with MDT 2008.

I just don't have the time to blunder through the trial and error to find what works and what doesn't. I'm already 2 months behind schedule and it's just getting worse. There is no positive in being this late. Decent documentation and a few examples would have helped immensely.
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04/24/2008 12:53 PM  
Hi Jrandom,

 

I guess I'm a little confused with your issue with capturing the image with ImageX.  Are you not able to import the custom WIM into the MDT deployment workbench?  Or you can, but you are unable to deploy the Image? 

 

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05/05/2008 6:05 PM  
Rich,
I can import and deploy the custom image through MDT 2008, but all my customizations are gone. I've tweaked the image so it's just right, but if I want to use MDT2008 (and migrate it to Config Mgr 2007), I have to find a way to preserve these customizations and use the image as a base for all our Config Mgr application deployments. After capturing the image with ImageX, I can't deploy it with MDT 2008 as I've captured it. I have to tweak the Unattend.xml that importing the image creates on the distribution share, because it won't use the one I've used for capturing the image. There's no documentation on doing that in the MDT 2008 documentation, and you can't use ImageX in MDT 2008 to deploy the image, so I'm fighting through trial and error to find the right settings to set in the unattend.xml to deploy the image with MY settings.
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09/18/2008 2:51 PM  
JRandom,

 

Did you successfully abandom MDT and revert to Ghost tools?

I'm new to imaging, have tried to use MDT for 2 months... still no final image.

If you have encountered some documentation which explains the whole imaging process and how the tools fit together, I'd love to read it..

Maybe MDT is for people who have done imaging for years and know exactly what they're doing... and just need a high-level toolset to save time.

Thanks, Paul

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10/02/2008 12:47 AM  
Jrandom

Understand your frustration with this - the MDT is extremely flexible but MS don't often give you lots of practical examples about tweaking apart from unattend.xml.

If you are making changes to the user profile that you want to keep, then suggest you need to look at setting CopyProfile to True in the Specialize phase of unattend.xml. You will need to set this value for the task sequence you use to create the image and the task sequence for deploying that same image. I normally edit the default unattend_x86.xml template to ensure that this value is always set. Without it, you will lose any mods to HKCU such as desktop icons, app settings etc. 

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc748953.aspx

Cheers, Scott
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